Peeple speeking they’re branes

17 10 2013

Today the BBC published a reasonably decent article about the “issue” of nationality and sport in Britain, it’s basic thrust was that the issues of nationality in sport aren’t always clear-cut.

This idea should be obvious to anyone with a brain. The issues around nationality aren’t always clear cut. Nation-states are only relatively recent institutions in human history and historically fixed areas have never existed; for example the political map of Europe has been updated almost once a decade since 1900.

Consider the man that was born in Sarajevo in 1915 and lived in the city until he died in 2003. He started his life as a subject in the dual-monarchy of Austria-Hungary and then became a subject in the kingdom of Yugoslavia after World War One. In the 1940s he was occupied and became a subject in the independent state of Croatia. After World War Two he became a comrade in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Finally he became a citizen of Bosnia in the 1990s. Which nationality would he be? More to the point, does it matter? He survived two world wars and a vicious “civil war”. As you can see the issue of nationality is often a little complicated.

The problems usually arise because people not only simplify the subject they attach too much emotion to it. The comments under the article are testimony to this simplified emotion. I managed to save the comments before the comments facility was disabled.

Not all the comments were Daily Mail reader bovine stupidity, some were correct, or even subtle;

“I would “go home” and represent my country, if I knew where home was. My people were enslaved from Africa, taken to the Caribbean, then recruited from the Caribbean into the “British” NHS and I subsequently ended up being born in England. I am not “english”, but if I chose to play sport in a country I have made a contribution to, especially considering history, you’ve no right to tell me I can’t.”

“its culture and pride as much as birth as i said to my mates in the pub with our German beer in Chinese glasses celebrating the great british pint, whilst sat on swedish furniture, in clothes from india, typing in2 our korean made phones to update our info on an American website deciding whether to eat chilli, kebab, pizza or curry afterwards, we agreed thats what being british is all about :-)”

It was only most of the comments…..

“Must be careful here…immigrants may qualify, after due process, as “Britons”…or “British Nationals”… that is written into Law (and we are STILL a law-abiding country), but “English”…no “due process” required…we KNOW who we are.”

“farah was born african with african lungs ..these guys are great runners.the kenyans are also superb runners… I bet if he was born in the uk he wouldnt have been as good…I cant support a guy like this as a british runner its a nonsense.#262 he will never get the full support from british fans because he maybe politically british..but hes not british in reality.”

“Born in England, perhaps with English-born parents or grandparents but never on residency. Otherwise International sport becomes a waste of time. I am of English/Irish heritage and would love to live in other countries if I could, such as India, but surely I couldn’t represent them in an International sport just because I’d lived there for 5 years. I defy anyone to call me racist.”

“Mo Farah can call himself British all he likes. He never will be. He’s Somalian.”

“Good Point. Mo’s heart is clearly with Somalia, so he should be running for Somalia.. Getting all the benefits of a Somalian training program..”

“Mo Farrah draped himself in the Somali flag when he won gold, how English or British is that? Most never saw it because of course the BBC cut away as soon it happened. Nonetheless he still did it, and more than once.”

“If you were not born in the UK you shouldn’t represent Great Britain. You might have a passport as an immigrant but sport should be for British nationals! It’s also funny how most of you blame immigrants for your problems in the UK, yet you want yhem to play sport for you. The number of prejudicial comments I see and hear is shocking! Comes to mind; “Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others””

“Time to sort this out once and for all. If you cannot trace your heritage and ancestry in this country, to say 1900, then you are not Indigenous to these lands. This would reverse the damage caused by 20th Century Wars. If you can’t do this by all means stay, but no benefits and you or your employer funds your lifestyle here. By all means prove your desire to be here, don’t take it for granted.”

“Completely agree. The BBC are institutionally racist against the English and try to push the Britishness rubbish ad infinitum. Repeat-being born in England does not make you English—if I had been born in Natal I still wouldn’t be a Zulu.”

“Call me a racist, xenophobe or whatever. To me Mohammed Farah will never be British. He was born in Somalia and is ethnically tied to Somalia. A dog born in a stable doesn’t make it a horse. Holding a British Passport used to be something of real value. Now it’s just something you qualify for via residency. And besides BBC I am ENGLISH and proud.”

“The big difference being of course, the Celts/Anglos/Saxon/Romans fought like the warriors they were to inhabit these Isles, and helped form who we are; survival of the fittest so to speak.
Our most recent wave of colonisers (1990+) were given a free pass, and have leeched off us ever since.
God knows what this Island will look like in another 200 years, I’m glad I’ll be long gone!”

“passport not enough

born here speak nd bein able to udnerstand english important


Farah have picked uk if somalia a rich powerful contry?

or Froom have cycled for uk if kenya rich?

likely not

they more kenyan n somalian imho

probs more connection to those contries for them too?

motivated by sponsors

nothin wrong with that

but they proud to act “british” mainly for bank balance imho”

The last three quoted were my favourite, or rather the following parts were;

The paraphrasing of Jean-Marie Le Pen in; “A dog born in a stable doesn’t make it a horse”

The Blood and Soil feel of Hitler in;  “The big difference being of course, the Celts/Anglos/Saxon/Romans fought like the warriors they were to inhabit these Isles, and helped form who we are; survival of the fittest so to speak.
Our most recent wave of colonisers (1990+) were given a free pass, and have leeched off us ever since.
God knows what this Island will look like in another 200 years, I’m glad I’ll be long gone!”

The molten bronze irony of; “passport not enough………..born here speak nd bein able to udnerstand english important”

Do civilisation a favour Britain, read a book, or think, before you speak, or shut the fuck up. To put this another way, stop buying the Daily Mail




2 responses

17 10 2013

Le Pen said it in documentary I saw about a decade ago, I think he was talking about 2nd generation north Africans in France at the time.

You have to laugh at these morons.

17 10 2013
Jac o' the North (@JacotheNorth)

I don’t know what le Pen said, but the ‘stable’ quote is normally attributed to Wellington. Someone called him Irish because he’d been born in Ireland, to which he replied, ‘A man may be born in a stable but it doesn’t make him a horse’. Though my guess would be that it goes back a lot further.

As for ‘blood and soil’, who were the Anglos? And why are the final invaders, the Normans, not mentioned? Is it cos they was Frogs?

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